taymonbeal:
balioc:
Seeing a lot of support for a European-style party system these days. For obvious reasons, to be sure. It’s not like the US 2-party FPTP system is doing anyone any good.
…but it’s not like most places in Europe are doing so great either. And I’m at least semi-convinced by the argument that America’s particular distribution of crazy opinions would end up leaving the government in a very bad place under a parliamentary setup.
I’ve been toying with the idea of going in the other direction and just trying to cripple all political parties entirely. Obviously you can’t prevent politicians (or voters) from forming whatever associations and private clubs they want, but…there’s a lot you could do to prevent those associations and clubs from being in any way relevant. Make it unlawful to put party affiliations on ballots. Stop having publicly-supported primary elections. Change congressional procedure so that parties can make many fewer decisions and control many fewer things.
(And none of it would even require changing the Constitution!)
Thoughts? Arguments for and against? Not sticking my own oar in at least until I’ve heard some of what the people around here have to say.
I’m having a hard time imagining how large-scale electoral democracy would work without parties. How would ballot access be determined? Prioritization of legislative business? Etc.
I also don’t understand what problem this proposal is intended to solve, which makes it hard to tell what arguments should be made for or against it.
OK, let’s hash this out a bit.
In briefest terms: the problem we’re trying to solve here is Donald Trump.
In slightly-less-brief terms: the problem we’re trying to solve here is that even though many Republican Congresscritters obviously hate and fear much of the stuff that Trump is doing, even though they’re being constantly humiliated by him, even though they have the power to stop him whenever they want, they just - don’t. Because, of course, they know that acting against Trump will mostly provide an advantage to the Democrats, and they’re more afraid of that than they are of…well, anything else, apparently.
(It’s been most visible during the second Trump administration, of course, but - hard to get a better object lesson than the aftermath of the January 6 incident.)
In not-brief-at-all terms: we might start with this Substack article by Lee Drutman. I don’t think much of his proposed solutions, I don’t even think his analysis of the problem is particularly helpful, but he’s looking at a problem that exists.
American elections have flattened from a multidimensional space into a single axis of partisan identity. Candidate quality, local factors, ideological nuance, local organizing forces—all those dimensions that used to create competition and accountability have been crushed down to near-irrelevance. In an age of hyper-partisan, hyper-nationalized voting and calcified politics, the big problem is that nothing matters.
This matters because one-dimensional politics is where authoritarians flourish. When the other party becomes the enemy, any candidate with your preferred letter, “R” or “D” – will do. Running more moderates doesn’t address this. We need new dimensions of political conflict.
In multidimensional politics, your coalition fragments when leaders threaten your core interests—farmers and autoworkers defect over tariff policy, fiscal hawks leave over reckless spending, law-and-order conservatives bail over norm violations. These cross-cutting concerns constrain authoritarian impulses.
But when politics collapses into what I’ve called the “two-party doom loop“—where there are only two sides and the political opposition is the enemy—there’s nowhere to go. You tolerate threats to your values because switching sides means empowering people who will destroy everything you hold dear. When 87% of voters believe “America will suffer permanent damage” if the other side wins, we’ve reached a level of toxic partisanship where accountability breaks down completely.
This is the “frozen state“ where any candidate with your preferred “R” or “D” will do—especially one who promises to fight the enemy harder. This is the terrain on which authoritarians thrive. It’s bad news.
(This is also pretty much the diagnosis that @bambamramfan offers.)
So OK. We’ve got a one-dimensional partisan struggle. What does that actually mean?
…one naive model says, basically, “we’ve reached the point where 50% of the voters are blue-haired socialists who think that the government should be mostly concerned with veganism and pronouns, and 50% of the voters are Christian-nationalist oil company stans who think that the government should be mostly concerned with putting immigrant children in megaprisons.” You do see a lot of those people participating in the discourse these days!
But of course this is not actually what’s going on. There are way more hardcore ideologues than there used to be, on both sides, but - the hardcore ideologues on both sides combined don’t add up to even half the electorate, let alone all of it. Normies still dominate, as they always have. The Matt Yglesias centrism-fetishist types aren’t wrong to note that the most successful politicians, when you use meaningful metrics, are pretty much always conspicuously moderate.
So what gives? Why can’t the normies get what they want? Why are we moving towards oscillation between fealty to the Groups and fealty to insane Trump cronies?
Or, to put it another way: when I was young, I was taught the ice-cream-stands-on-the-beach metaphor for FPTP electoral politics, which suggests that your two parties are going to end up huddled together right near the center of public opinion. This obviously hasn’t happened in our FPTP system. You could argue (convincingly) that things used to be that way, but they definitely aren’t that way now. Why not?
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Primaries are one obvious issue. You can’t actually get on the ballot by appealing to the center of public opinion. You first have to win an election in which only the people on one side vote (and only the most committed ones, at that). So as the political class becomes more hardcore and ideological, since all nominations have to be filtered through that class, we end up with more elections between a hardcore ideological Democrat and a hardcore ideological Republican. (Relatively speaking.)
Another issue is the much-ballyhooed nationalization of politics. Legislators are no longer expected to be independent actors, really; they’re expected to be foot soldiers for a pan-American political project, led by either the President or [uh, no one in particular, it’s kind of a problem, we might need an official Opposition Leader position in order to make the current setup work at all].
Which is particularly stupid, given that most voters don’t actually support those projects! Everyone and his brother has already pointed out that our partisanship is mostly negative partisanship. Joe Voter isn’t fired up about the D/R Vision For Society, he’s just terrified of the R/D Vision For Society being enacted.
And doubly stupid given that the politicians themselves don’t particularly want to be straitjacketed foot soldiers for national political projects either! They would much prefer to be able to act on their own particular goals and preferences! They would much prefer to be able to make whatever deals they want!
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Multiparty systems help in some ways, but in other ways they exacerbate the problem. They turn politicians into absolutely interchangeable pawns, and they subordinate (most) issue-level political positions to the coalitional math of staying in power.
I am contemplating solutions in the direction of - “You cannot vote for an overarching project, those don’t exist, you can only vote for A Guy You Think You Can Trust. Issues get decided on an ad-hoc individual basis. The network of alliances is different for every vote.”